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Open ID Login URL? - Not clear on website

I was exploring the features and benefits of the "Intense Debate" plugin for Wordpress, and was prompted to sign into Open ID by providing my Open ID URL.

I have a Google Account, but have never been directly asked for my Open ID account. This lead me to the Open ID website, at which point I thought the information would be clearly indicated on the "Get an Open ID" or "start using your Open ID" page. Instead, it was a bunch irrelevant information about how I already have an account, with links to useless links like Google and Yahoo's landing page.

The answer to the question, "where do I get an Open ID URL" for basic login is unfortunately difficult to find on the current website, if it's even there (I have yet to find it).

If Open ID is to succeed in achieving mass adoption, surely the basics like providing a website that provides basic information like how to obtain an account and sign in are of the utmost importance. I consider myself to be quite computer literate and I'm frustrated beyond belief, so I can just imagine what a non starter this would be for incorporating into a website and asking people like my parents to try and obtain this new account and throw them in a complete loop trying to figure out where they go to get it.

Thanks.

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planned  ·  AdminChris Messina (Admin, OpenID) responded  · 

This is a fair criticism and something that we want to address as we continue to make improvements to our newly relaunched website. It has a long way to go still, and this kind of feedback is very helpful in directing our attention. Thanks — and sorry to hear about your frustration.

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  • Lars Bo Wassini commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    In a nutshell
    Where do I find my OpenId?

    I have been looking at this page for 2 days now - and I still can't figure out what URL I should use!

  • Hamdo commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    ovo je trrening za open id da vidim sta biva sa tekstom a sta lozinkom i e-mailom.da vidim kako sve to funkcionise.

  • didot commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    g,mana cara masuk sandi togel 8 dewa uda punya blog dan email ko ga bsa...

  • sales commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    I agree. I've spent HOURS trying to link Open ID to MY website... THIS IS INSANE. What a difficult site to use. Your tut is NOT a tut and the websites you link for testing don't work. I'm baffled as to why your name is so trusted... This is BS!

  • hondurasblogs commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    I agree completely with the original poster. I found it incredible that I couldn't figure out how to get an Open ID on the Open ID website. I have a Blogger blog but it is hosted on a private domain so it didn't seem to work using the blogspot address or the redirected www address. I came here to find out what I needed to do to make my comments on websites link to my blog (a pretty basic thing to want), and I couldn't figure it out.

    Ironically, I think I just got an Open ID by trying to sign in here to comment -- still not entirely sure, though! It took me around in circles a couple of times. I filled in the boxes two or three times, and I believe this is going to direct to my Google profile rather than my blog.

    The page telling people that they may already have an Open ID and how to sign in using it is good, but a few suggestions:

    1. Link to a Help explanation if the basic sign in instructions don't work.

    2. Be more clear about the examples. For example, using Blogger, the example shows “blogname.blogspot.com”. But should that actually be http://blogname.blogspot.com ? (I tried both ways and neither worked.) Probably a lot of people don't even see that small print.

    3. What if you don't use any of those services, where do you go, what do you do to get an Open ID? The page does not say. I really found it amazing that I couldn't find it. "Get an Open ID" page should tell you how to get one!

    4. And WOW! If you think that tutorial is helpful, you need to get a non-tech, average internet user to try to get an Open ID! If I have to go through all that to get an ID, I won't be getting one.

    I was going to direct my blog readers here to get an Open ID but .... no thanks. How could I explain something to them that I can't figure out myself? And this is coming from someone who explains semi-techy stuff to people all the time!

    Sorry, I don't mean to be rude, but your website really misses the mark.

  • michaelmonical commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    Thank you for the answers Chris

    >This is a fair criticism. The confusion may be that there "OpenID the brand and foundation", and "OpenID the technology".

    >It's unlikely that we'll rename these things now, but we do need to do more to distinguish them.

    Your choice of course but I think it would go along way to avoiding some of the confusion and assisting in the promulgation of the concept and technology. It certainly kept me from understanding and using the capability for over a year as I created an openid account but found it just one more asset to be managed. If your goal is to suppliant all other IDs, this seems reasonable as it seems sumewhat intuative that if you us an OpenID then you should be using myopenid. That is the leap of logic my brain made. I can think of a couple of other arguments for morphing the myopenid lable but suspect by now you already know the pros and cons.
    Good luck with the program.

  • AdminChris Messina (Admin, OpenID) commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    Some replies to your questions:

    > You say I have an OpenID; what is it, my Google, Yahoo or eBlogger account? All of the above? What information is in? Who gave OpenID permission to create an account for me? Who gave any of the above entities permission to share my information with OpenID?

    Google, Yahoo, and Blogger accounts can be used as OpenIDs.

    The information that each provides to sites that you sign in to varies depending on your privacy settings with each provider. Each provider gives you a different level of control over how much data is shared when you sign in.

    OpenID didn't give anyone permission — in that sense it's just a technology — and those providers chose to add it (i.e. offering OpenIDs) as a feature for their users. Your information has never been shared with "OpenID" — especially if you mean the "OpenID Foundation" — unless you signed in to the OpenID website with one of your accounts.

    > If I am correct, I do not have an "OpenID" ACCOUNT, what I have is several IDs, (Google, Yahoo, and eBlogger) identified as PARTICIPANTS in the open ID effort, which allows THIER credentials (Google, et al) to be used to log into 3rd party sites. THIS IS NOT A UNIQUE OPENID IDENTITY. I am not sure this is correct and it certainly not clear from this website.

    That's fair. It's understandable that OpenID can be confusing at first.

    Think of an OpenID like an email address — you may have several email addresses — from personal to work to spam buckets. In the same way, you can have several OpenIDs from different providers that you may use for different purposes. Just because one of your accounts is OpenID-enabled doesn't mean you need to use it as an OpenID.

    The only way to have a "unique identity" is to choose ONE of your OpenIDs and just use that one as often as you can.

    > If the above is correct then my first recommendation is to separate the function (OpenID)from the OpenID account; your.name.myopeniid. Make the account something like "UniID" and leave the term OpenID strictly for the function. I think the identical terminology is very confusing as everyone is accustom to user accounts.

    This is a fair criticism. The confusion may be that there "OpenID the brand and foundation", and "OpenID the technology".

    It's unlikely that we'll rename these things now, but we do need to do more to distinguish them.

    > The second recommendation, continuing to assume I have guessed correctly, is to emphasize that until a user creates a unique (and very useful) "UniID" that no information is known to OpenID foundation or any other affiliates until the user himself shares that information (means or necessity of doing so currently unknown to me).

    This is true. Note that the OpenID Foundation NEVER receives information about you when you sign in, unless you sign in to the OpenID Foundation website.

    > Third recommendation – clarify the difference between a user account, a userid, and the passwords for all OpenID participants.

    Ok.

    > Forth recommendation - put an interactive tutorial online to walk you through the steps, the written instruction are pretty bad.

    Agreed. We'd like to improve this as well.

    > QUESTION: Is my actual username (from whatever OpenID account used) actually shared with the logged into site? For example if I use my Google ID (my.name@comcast.net) to log onto OpenID website: StealYourIdentity.com, does the website get the actual Google ID or just the fact it is a legitimate OpenID login?

    The site that you're signing in to will get a unique identifier for you — usually a URL that no one else can use. They MAY also get a username, your email, or other information depending on how you set up your preferences.

    Hope that helps!

  • michaelmonical commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    I have similar comments as the original poster. It is bizarre how inadequate the instructions are for even advance computer users much less neophytes.

    You say I have an OpenID; what is it, my Google, Yahoo or eBlogger account? All of the above? What information is in? Who gave OpenID permission to create an account for me? Who gave any of the above entities permission to share my information with OpenID?

    I believe I am beginning to understand based on my attempt to "login" to this site to leave a comment, this was helpful but the above concerns still apply.

    If I am correct, I do not have an "OpenID" ACCOUNT, what I have is several IDs, (Google, Yahoo, and eBlogger) identified as PARTICIPANTS in the open ID effort, which allows THIER credentials (Google, et al) to be used to log into 3rd party sites. THIS IS NOT A UNIQUE OPENID IDENTITY. I am not sure this is correct and it certainly not clear from this website.

    If the above is correct then my first recommendation is to separate the function (OpenID)from the OpenID account; your.name.myopeniid. Make the account something like "UniID" and leave the term OpenID strictly for the function. I think the identical terminology is very confusing as everyone is accustom to user accounts.

    The second recommendation, continuing to assume I have guessed correctly, is to emphasize that until a user creates a unique (and very useful) "UniID" that no information is known to OpenID foundation or any other affiliates until the user himself shares that information (means or necessity of doing so currently unknown to me).

    Third recommendation – clarify the difference between a user account, a userid, and the passwords for all OpenID participants.

    Forth recommendation - put an interactive tutorial online to walk you through the steps, the written instruction are pretty bad.

    QUESTION: Is my actual username (from whatever OpenID account used) actually shared with the logged into site? For example if I use my Google ID (my.name@comcast.net) to log onto OpenID website: StealYourIdentity.com, does the website get the actual Google ID or just the fact it is a legitimate OpenID login?

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